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		Von: Peter Shaw		</title>
		<link>http://shawfactor.com/2013/08/12/some-clarification-to-the-webmentions-discussion/</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 02:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		In reply to this analysis by &lt;a href=&quot;https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RPKPs/&quot;&gt;Barnaby Walters&lt;/a&gt; of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/&quot;&gt;original article&lt;/a&gt;.
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&lt;blockquote&gt;The evidence is against you here, as almost all known usage of webmention has been for short replies which don’t make sense without context.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually we aren’t disagreeing, maybe I didn’t express myself well when I wrote “At the moment of the method is built around a POSSE architecture. This works well for long form articles which can stand alone but address issues or ideas that are posted on an external website”.
What i meant to say is that Indieweb replies make no sense outside their context which makes it counterintuitive to be posting them and displaying them via POSSE. Of course it can be done (and I like the concept) but i doubt it will catch on. Whereas a long form artcicle replying to another doesn’t really need the context as it stands alone.
I agree that webmention is nicer than pingback and your work on the toolbelt is awesome.
With respect to my external comment idea, there is no security hole, most commenting systems allow commenting without logging in and it is up to server on whether it accepts the webmention of the comment posted. Finally like webmentions itself it is a chicken and an egg thing whether PESOS webmentions would catch on. Without modifying existing implemenations it won’t work.  I’m slowly getting the hang of Github so I might fork &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/&quot; title=&quot;Wordpress webmentions&quot;&gt;Matthias’ plugin&lt;/a&gt; and build it myself if I find the time.


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		In reply to this analysis by <a href="https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RPKPs/">Barnaby Walters</a> of my <a href="http://shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/">original article</a>.<br />
Barnaby you wrote:&#xD;<br />
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<blockquote><p>The evidence is against you here, as almost all known usage of webmention has been for short replies which don’t make sense without context.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually we aren’t disagreeing, maybe I didn’t express myself well when I wrote “At the moment of the method is built around a POSSE architecture. This works well for long form articles which can stand alone but address issues or ideas that are posted on an external website”.<br />
What i meant to say is that Indieweb replies make no sense outside their context which makes it counterintuitive to be posting them and displaying them via POSSE. Of course it can be done (and I like the concept) but i doubt it will catch on. Whereas a long form artcicle replying to another doesn’t really need the context as it stands alone.<br />
I agree that webmention is nicer than pingback and your work on the toolbelt is awesome.<br />
With respect to my external comment idea, there is no security hole, most commenting systems allow commenting without logging in and it is up to server on whether it accepts the webmention of the comment posted. Finally like webmentions itself it is a chicken and an egg thing whether PESOS webmentions would catch on. Without modifying existing implemenations it won’t work.  I’m slowly getting the hang of Github so I might fork <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/" title="Wordpress webmentions">Matthias’ plugin</a> and build it myself if I find the time.</p>
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		Von: Peter Shaw		</title>
		<link>http://shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		I recently installed &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/&quot; title=&quot;Pfefferle&#039;s website&quot;&gt;Matthias Pfefferle’s&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/&quot; title=&quot;Web mention plugin&quot;&gt;web mention plugin&lt;/a&gt;. It is a great plugin and hopefully when he has polished it up further he will push it out to the wordpress.org plugin repository so it can enjoy a wider audience. I actually think the Jetpack team should look at including an extended set of this functionality in its plugins as the potential for distributed sharing that the indieweb provides could be a major distinguishing feature for WordPress, and certainly a better bet than trying to roll their own social networking ecosystem.
However thinking about the architecture of of webmentions I think they could be extended by becoming bidirectional. At the moment of the method is built around a &lt;a href=&quot;http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE&quot; title=&quot;Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Everywhere&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;POSSE &lt;/a&gt;architecture. This works well for long form articles which can stand alone but address issues or ideas that are posted on an external website. But if that is all there is to webmentions it is just a nicer implementation of Pingback.

More importantly though webmentions vision includes distributed commenting and it does succeed at making this possible, and members of the community are making use of this functionality. However the current workflow is awkward and i doubt it will catch on with the general public. Sophisticated Indieweb users can and will read an article on an external site and then return to their own to post a comment, but that king of behaviour is not intuitive.
But all is no lost as the webmention protocol could easily be implemented to support &lt;a href=&quot;http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS&quot; title=&quot;Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PESOS&lt;/a&gt;, which when commenting is more much natural. This is best explained by illustrating a use case namely:
A commenter (for this example me) arrives at external site, reads an article and wishes to make a comment. I make the comment on the external site and as part of making the comment I add my author url, that being the url of my own site. The external site then sends a webmention of the comment to my site. My own site could then scrapes my comment and saves a copy in my CMS. Otionall  I could republish the comment in my blog or activity feed at my discretion. Thus fully implementing &lt;a href=&quot;http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS&quot; title=&quot;Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PESOS&lt;/a&gt;.
This article is &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.indiewebcamp.com/post/shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hopefully also posted on IndieNews&lt;/a&gt;. Also mentioning &lt;a href=&quot;https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barnaby Walters&lt;/a&gt; for good order.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#xD;<br />
		I recently installed <a href="https://notiz.blog/" title="Pfefferle's website">Matthias Pfefferle’s</a> <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/" title="Web mention plugin">web mention plugin</a>. It is a great plugin and hopefully when he has polished it up further he will push it out to the wordpress.org plugin repository so it can enjoy a wider audience. I actually think the Jetpack team should look at including an extended set of this functionality in its plugins as the potential for distributed sharing that the indieweb provides could be a major distinguishing feature for WordPress, and certainly a better bet than trying to roll their own social networking ecosystem.<br />
However thinking about the architecture of of webmentions I think they could be extended by becoming bidirectional. At the moment of the method is built around a <a href="http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE" title="Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Everywhere" rel="nofollow">POSSE </a>architecture. This works well for long form articles which can stand alone but address issues or ideas that are posted on an external website. But if that is all there is to webmentions it is just a nicer implementation of Pingback.</p>
<p>More importantly though webmentions vision includes distributed commenting and it does succeed at making this possible, and members of the community are making use of this functionality. However the current workflow is awkward and i doubt it will catch on with the general public. Sophisticated Indieweb users can and will read an article on an external site and then return to their own to post a comment, but that king of behaviour is not intuitive.<br />
But all is no lost as the webmention protocol could easily be implemented to support <a href="http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS" title="Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site" rel="nofollow">PESOS</a>, which when commenting is more much natural. This is best explained by illustrating a use case namely:<br />
A commenter (for this example me) arrives at external site, reads an article and wishes to make a comment. I make the comment on the external site and as part of making the comment I add my author url, that being the url of my own site. The external site then sends a webmention of the comment to my site. My own site could then scrapes my comment and saves a copy in my CMS. Otionall  I could republish the comment in my blog or activity feed at my discretion. Thus fully implementing <a href="http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS" title="Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site" rel="nofollow">PESOS</a>.<br />
This article is <a href="http://news.indiewebcamp.com/post/shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/" rel="nofollow">hopefully also posted on IndieNews</a>. Also mentioning <a href="https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/" rel="nofollow">Barnaby Walters</a> for good order.</p>
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		Von: nchenga		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-264428</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nchenga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beginner question:

I need some more details on how to install it. Do I just upload to the plugins folder and then modify the code in the comments template of my theme?  

Any help is greatly appreciated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beginner question:</p>
<p>I need some more details on how to install it. Do I just upload to the plugins folder and then modify the code in the comments template of my theme?  </p>
<p>Any help is greatly appreciated.</p>
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		Von: Ryan Barrett		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-243019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Barrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[…once more, with (author h-card) feeling!

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In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/&quot;&gt;My Webmention plugin for #WordPress……&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…once more, with (author h-card) feeling!</p>
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In reply to <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/">My Webmention plugin for #WordPress……</a><br />
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		Von: Ryan Barrett		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-242975</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Barrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trying this out now. Thanks for writing the plugin!

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In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/&quot;&gt;My Webmention plugin for #WordPress…&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying this out now. Thanks for writing the plugin!</p>
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In reply to <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/">My Webmention plugin for #WordPress…</a><br />
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		Von: xtof		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-226795</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xtof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 03:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Edit 2013-08-11 : extension webmention activée. Cf. détails configuration sur Réinitialisation WordPress My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb #Conversations from @eschnou, @Barnaby Walters, @Ben Werdmuller, @Tom Morris, @Will Norris and @Aaron Parecki.…and some &#060;3 for Sandeep Shetty Matthias (notizblog) #todo : parvenir à activer l’extension webmention développée par Matthias (erreur fatale à cette heure)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit 2013-08-11 : extension webmention activée. Cf. détails configuration sur Réinitialisation WordPress My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb #Conversations from @eschnou, @Barnaby Walters, @Ben Werdmuller, @Tom Morris, @Will Norris and @Aaron Parecki.…and some &lt;3 for Sandeep Shetty Matthias (notizblog) #todo : parvenir à activer l’extension webmention développée par Matthias (erreur fatale à cette heure)</p>
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		Von: xtof		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-226588</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xtof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 03:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Edit 2013-08-11 : extension webmention activée. Cf. détails configuration sur Réinitialisation WordPress My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb #Conversations from @eschnou, @Barnaby Walters, @Ben Werdmuller, @Tom Morris, @Will Norris and @Aaron Parecki.…and some &#060;3 for Sandeep Shetty Matthias (notizblog) todo : parvenir à activer l’extension webmention développée par Matthias (erreur fatale à cette heure)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit 2013-08-11 : extension webmention activée. Cf. détails configuration sur Réinitialisation WordPress My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb #Conversations from @eschnou, @Barnaby Walters, @Ben Werdmuller, @Tom Morris, @Will Norris and @Aaron Parecki.…and some &lt;3 for Sandeep Shetty Matthias (notizblog) todo : parvenir à activer l’extension webmention développée par Matthias (erreur fatale à cette heure)</p>
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		Von: Matthias Pfefferle		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-214017</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Pfefferle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213858&quot;&gt;Sandeep Shetty&lt;/a&gt;.

You can now also reply to my comments :) #whoot]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213858">Sandeep Shetty</a>.</p>
<p>You can now also reply to my comments 🙂 #whoot</p>
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		Von: Matthias Pfefferle		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213941</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Pfefferle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213858&quot;&gt;Sandeep Shetty&lt;/a&gt;.

ok, let’s try a second one!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213858">Sandeep Shetty</a>.</p>
<p>ok, let’s try a second one!</p>
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		Von: Matthias Pfefferle		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213934</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Pfefferle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213858&quot;&gt;Sandeep Shetty&lt;/a&gt;.

I just implemented replys… I hope this will work…

(please don’t answer, this feature isn’t implemented yet ;) )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213858">Sandeep Shetty</a>.</p>
<p>I just implemented replys… I hope this will work…</p>
<p>(please don’t answer, this feature isn’t implemented yet 😉 )</p>
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		Von: Tom Morris		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[
  &lt;p&gt;All this Webmention stuff that we’re playing with is coming to WordPress according to &lt;a href=&quot;https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/&quot;&gt;notizblog&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this Webmention stuff that we’re playing with is coming to WordPress according to <a href="https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/">notizblog</a>.</p>
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		Von: Sandeep Shetty		</title>
		<link>https://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213858</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandeep Shetty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excited to see wordpress support for #webmention and some &#060;3 back to you :) #indieweb]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excited to see wordpress support for #webmention and some &lt;3 back to you 🙂 #indieweb</p>
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